How should model puzzles?

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    1. evening Top Contributor Freebase Experts
      Jan 28, 2009
      evening says:

      Hi! I love logic puzzles and am a great fan of Conceptis' website.  I'm trying to figure out the best way to fill in information and assign types, but I'm not sure I understand how to best do this.

      Paint-by-Numbers, or nonograms, are shown as a puzzle type, but it is also a puzzle who has a creator.  Can it be both?  Or should this type of puzzle be under something like "Picture Logic Puzzle"?  And then nonograms be listed as the puzzle, and then we can assign who makes these puzzles (griddlers, conceptis, etc)?

      Same goes for sudoku, and many other of the Conceptis games.

      Thanks for your advice!

      2. sblom Top Contributor
        Jan 29, 2009
        sblom says:

        Hey, evening, glad to see someone else who wants to help build a base about puzzles! My intent for the model so far (but it's only a draft, so I'd love to hear your feedback) is that a "Puzzle" should be a specific instance of a puzzle that has a single solution. So for example, today's New York Times crossword would be a "Puzzle". Its "form" would be "Crossword puzzle". So individual Griddlers would be "Puzzle"s, and they'd possibly be of the form "Griddlers", which would be a specialization of "Picture Logic Puzzle".

        Hope that helps. I'll go through this evening and tidy things up to match how I'm thinking about things, and you can let me know if the resulting data still "knows" everything that you think it should.

      3. sblom Top Contributor
        Jan 29, 2009
        sblom says:

        Ahhh. Now I understand your point about Conceptis. Yeah--they produce many "Puzzles" of some form that they call "Pic-a-Pix". Perhaps that's a Puzzle Series?

        I wouldn't, for example, call "the New York Times Crossword Puzzle" a Puzzle Form, but it's also not a specific Puzzle.

        Lemme think about this some more.

      4. evening Top Contributor Freebase Experts
        Jan 30, 2009
        evening says:

        I think your first reply actually answers my question.  So Pic-a-Puz and Griddlers would be alternate names for nonograms, and the nonogram would be a type.  Same with the other Conceptis puzzles (as long as I can find alternate names for them...I think they have a link on their site that gives all that).

        I think the only other question is how to do some of their variant puzzles.  They have a "diagonal sudoku," so would that be a new type whose "parent" puzzle type is sudoku?  Or would we just say they do "variant sudoku" puzzles and group all their variants together? 

        I'll take a look at what I did already and clean it up as best I can. And see if I can get all the alternate names in the various puzzle types/forms.

        thanks!

      5. evening Top Contributor Freebase Experts
        Jan 30, 2009
        evening says:

        Oh, one more thing.  How about adding Creator to Puzzle Type/form?  Otherwise there's no way to say who makes what kind of puzzles (like in Conceptis' case where we wouldn't necessasrily have specific, individual puzzles loaded, only the type).

      6. sblom Top Contributor
        Jan 30, 2009
        sblom says:

        Done. It's called Form Creator.

      7. gmackenz Metaweb Staff
        Jan 31, 2009
        gmackenz says:

        Me, I would examine how it was done on the Games commons myself. Interesting work so far. So where is the equivalent of Genre, which is used prevalently in many types from media to games? Also variants and derivations are properties modelled pretty well there.

        I think the titles of the properties and types themselves might be a bit difficult for most to parse. 

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